# No love for the Kurenai H series? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rods\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://10colorstenkara.com/t/no-love-for-the-kurenai-h-series/395 "2017-07-19T14:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Scott\_T](https://10colorstenkara.com/user_avatar/10colorstenkara.com/scott_t/32/3892_2.png) [@Scott\_T](https://10colorstenkara.com/u/Scott_T)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://10colorstenkara.com/t/no-love-for-the-kurenai-h-series/395/1 "2017-07-19T14:46:45Z")
I’m living in China, so I took advantage of no duties and three day shipping from Ebisu-san. Just for grins, I thought I’d check out the Kurenai H30R. Man, what a wand - Now I REALLY want the HM30R But the H30 is a pretty fast action rod. If memory serves, it has more backbone than the 10’ 3 weight Greys (that rod is 6500 miles away) I currently use for Euro-nymphing. Giving it test wiggles while comparing it to other tenkara and keiryu-like rods tells me it’s no noodle. I’ll be back in NorCal soon, testing it out in a little creek that’s definitely tight for a 12 footer, to see how it works. Anyone else ever try the Kurenai H series rods? I can’t find much information on them online. For that matter, is there any resources on just what the H rating’s mean? I see Suntech offers HM-2H rods, and I can find rods from H-6H on TaoBao. I do know that the higher the H value, the stiffer the rod. I’m just wondering if it’s purely subjective, or if there are objective criteria? FWIW - I have a 3.6m 4H rod used for competitive Tilapia fishing. The size, shape and stiffness of the first two sections are quite reminiscent of a pool cue. I’ve seen anglers lofting 1 kilo fish out of the water with similar rods. I have no idea what I’ll use it for back in the USA. Heaven knows what a 6H rod would be used for… Scott ---
**Author:** ![tvdavisid](https://10colorstenkara.com/user_avatar/10colorstenkara.com/tvdavisid/32/32_2.png) [@tvdavisid](https://10colorstenkara.com/u/tvdavisid)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://10colorstenkara.com/t/no-love-for-the-kurenai-h-series/395/2 "2017-07-19T18:26:02Z")
I had an HM33R in the past. It was an incredible rod. So light beyond description. I sold it – that was stupid. ---
**Author:** ![CM\_Stewart](https://10colorstenkara.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@CM\_Stewart](https://10colorstenkara.com/u/CM_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://10colorstenkara.com/t/no-love-for-the-kurenai-h-series/395/3 "2017-07-29T13:29:03Z")
The first year I carried the Suntech Kurenai rods I had both the H and the HM series. Once while fishing with a friend who caught a bass of about 12" on the H33 I decided I didn’t like the bend profile in the late stage of landing a nice fish, when the rod is tipped back and the bend is the most extreme. It looked like too much of the bend was concentrated in one section, which I thought would increase breakage over time. Following that I stopped carrying the H series. I have never asked, but I have assumed the H is Hard, and the HM is Hard Medium. I have a Suntech Kaname 2H and had a Field Master Honryu 2H, which I assumed were Hard Hard, or extra hard, but they were such different rods from the Kurenai or from each other that there was no way to compare them to get a sense of whether they were extra hard (relative to what?). Neither of them had a tight bend profile like the H33 did. Suntech has a 3H rod, which was designed for fishing the deep pools at the base of waterfalls with heavy split shot. That would suggest that it is a stiff rod, but I have never bought one so I don’t know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Beek2](https://10colorstenkara.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Beek2](https://10colorstenkara.com/u/Beek2)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://10colorstenkara.com/t/no-love-for-the-kurenai-h-series/395/4 "2024-06-12T04:54:57Z")
I was late to the game and unable to find a new Suntech Kurenai GM HM30R as they were unavailable and no longer on the market . However, I purchased on [Janbox.com](http://Janbox.com) Japanese market a Suntech Kurenai GM H30R . I wanted the closest thing to a Kurenai HM30R available. Both Kurenai models HM30R and H30R share the same dimensions in Total Length = 2.9 Meters / 9’7", Total weight = 0.9 ounces, and Closed Length = 23.5". HOWEVER THIS IS WHERE THE SIMILARITIES END!!! In contrast to each other, the HM30R has a CCS =7.5 pennies whereas the H30R has a CCS= 14.5 pennies. Resulting in rod actions of significant difference. The HM30R has a SLOW Full Flex Rod Action and the H30R has an opposing FAST Tip Flex Rod Action. Enclosed is a photo of the Kurenai H30R mounted on a wall (during a CCS measurement I conducted) note the Visual Characteristics of the H30R “TIP FLEX” . FINALLY ON A CURIOUS NOTE: The HM30R developed a “cult” following due to its very popular status in the U.S.A ; whereas the H30R is obscure and very rare , hard to find in the U.S.A. On the other hand the Kurenai H30R has found much more popularity where it was produced in Japan. Suntech assigned HM & H designations to the GM Kurenai models : H= designates HARD ACTION; Whereas HM= designates HARD MEDIUM action. ![Suntech Kurenai GM H30R L=9'.7 WT=.9oz](https://10colorstenkara.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6285c75b7c0f76dac89118445bc07ce05c94897e.jpeg) ![Suntech Kurenai GM H30R](https://10colorstenkara.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/ea2b4de0d30922017a23c8e463f12891cdbd7956.jpeg) ![H30R Tip Flex Action](https://10colorstenkara.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/9bc209c5f974e09e14cd046ae3a7d9785ff80f2a.jpeg)