Dragontail Mizuchi

Ok after a week a few observations, most all positive. First the color is perfect for stealth. Second I really appreciate the quality cork, top quality very little filler and a beautiful camel hump design that lends itself to to at least 4 comfortable grip positions. Next observation is the two caps, a quality wood /rubber cap that has a replacement Lillian attached to the plug, interesting the Lillian provided on the cap I would prefer than what’s on the tip. (More on that later), and a universal rod cap that us in my opinion too large for the top section, but a bonus non the less, after all how many companies give you two caps? Next was the included rod case! I mean really no one provides a light weight solid rod case too.

Now to a few details, I’m going to get my first and really only complaint out first. The provided Lillian is huge, much larger than I would like on a light super sensitive rod like this. The replacement Lillian size and color would be my choice.

Ok now that I’ve got that off my chest I would like to comment on the rest of the rod. Most important is the action. This rod has an amazing action, each length is really unique yet useable. Some may not like the softer action at longer length, but for me it is amazing. Easy, precise, casts with great action. I really like how this rod transmits bumps bites, and snags. It’s almost like fishing’s blind, you can completely rely on the feel of the rod. This is a slow precise rod made for tenkara anglers who want options without multiple rods.

I have no affiliation with Tom nor Dragontail. And feel like this is an honest 3rd party review.

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Nice reviews and thoughts on this rod so far. I’m not surprised since Tom Davis had his hand in it. Small stream master. Smart move Dragontail Tenkara. Very nice.

By huge I am assuming you’re referring to the thickness of the lillian. I have an older Daiwa 36 LL rod. The lillian on it is much thicker (and shorter) than I’ve seen on any other rod. It looks like there may be a different thickness of the lillian on the LL vs the LT rod model of the newer Daiwa Master Tenkara L rod. At Daiwa they appear to prefer a thicker lillian on level line specific rods, vs on LT rods, rods for either level line or tapered lines, that usually have the girt hitch type connection to the lillian. I think their rod tips are regarded as being pretty sensitive.

https://www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/rod/keiryu_rd/master_tenkara_l/index.html

I don’t know if this is the principle that drove that choice in size, but I’ve always assumed it was made so that the level line connection is more secure.

One of the principles you can read about on climbing rope or knot websites is that when attaching a slide and grip knot [ such as a klemheist or prusik knot] onto a standing or climbing line. The line used to make the slide and grip knot should be of a smaller diameter than the standing line. Some websites will give example sizes or a percent difference in line thickness. I would call the usual level line slip knot connection to the lillian as a slide and grip type knot connection. But unlike with climbing knots, one’s life doesn’t depend on how well the knot grips without sliding. :relaxed:

From the animated knot website for the klemheist knot:
" Rope Size: These knots must be made using a rope smaller than the load bearing rope, e.g., 5 or 6 mm cord around the climbing rope. The effectiveness of these knots diminishes as the sizes of the two ropes approach each other." Generally it is recommended the line used to make the slide and grip friction knot loop should be 20% ~ 40% smaller in diameter than the line it is attached to.

https://www.animatedknots.com/klemheist-knot

If that was why they chose that size lillian - it may not persuade you to like it more, but maybe it’s a clue why that size was chosen. Or maybe the choice was made just for durability.

Reading Tom’s blog post about the prototype he wrote the lillian was thin. However, perhaps people have different opinions about what thin is, or between prototype and production the choice was made to go with a different size lillian. My 2¢ thoughts. Maybe worth half as much, at most. :wink:

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(edited) The lillian itself isn’t as thick as one of my other rods but the thickness of the lillian joint * on my rod makes it rather tight to remove the tip from and especially insert the tip into the 2nd section. My other rods aren’t that tight. Plus the end of the lillian is fraying slightly so that doesn’t help. I slowly rotate the tip as I insert it and it does get through the 2nd section. Is the fraying something I should be concerned about?

I have emailed to ask about it.

I also thought the lilian is larger than other rods I own and it does bind up a bit in the section below it when disassembling the rod. I was also thinking about either putting a knot in the end of it or melting it to keep it from fraying. Wonder what others think about it.

I set the tip of the lily on the lighter and now it has a small ball on it.

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I have no experience replacing a lillian. None of mine have shown a lot of damage.

I don’t think I would worry much about the end fraying. It is a tight weave, and after a little bit of fraying the fibers will probably tangle enough further fraying, I think, will stop.

I have a couple of rods that sometimes give me a bit of trouble inserting section 1 back inside of section 2. Because the lillian gets stuck. What has worked for me is slowly turning section one as I insert it.

That seems to prevent the tip of the lillian getting stuck on the inner wall of the section. However, mostly I’ve had insertion binding with really thin lillians [一番細いリリアン釣り], not thick fat ones [太いリリアン釣り], where the lillian is so thin it isn’t stiff enough to stay straight while being inserted (I think the tip is doubling over, the turning of the section seems to prevent that happening), and none of them had the rotating tip type lillian. [ 回転リリアン・ ローリングリリアン ].

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Have you tried contacting Dragontail and giving feedback and/or asking about it?

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Sorry to hear about the lilian and the difficulty removing the tip section due to lilian diameter. The prototype I used didn’t have that issue. I’m in Guatemala so I never saw the finished rod. I’m not sure of why the lilian was changed to the present style. Please contact Brent at Dragontail Tenkara and let him know your concern. Your feedback is important to us! I can’t fish the rod for a year and a half, so I’m relying on your rod impressions! Best to you all.

-Tom.

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Hey It’s not an issue at all, I was really just trying to be as fair as possible in review and this was a minute detail that as I’ve used the rod more has become a non issue. I regret bringing it up because it’s really not an issue. The Tanuki Ninja has a thin Lillian with a massive glue joint. Nothing is perfect! I truly love this rod.

my son fishing the rod.

As said Diawa often has large Lillian with short length, this is a medium Lillian that is a great length.

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I’ve now caught 150+ fish on the rod from 3 to 18 inches. Rainbows, several cutthroat varieties, brook trout, browns, tiger trout, etc. Fished it in creeks from extremely small and brushy (where even the 240 cm length was too much) to waters where a 400 cm rod would be more appropriate. My favorite thing about this rod is that I can basically muscle fish around with it once they’re hooked. I feel much more in control with this rod than the Zen Suzume (the other main small stream triple zoom rod on the market), which I’ve fished with extensively (caught 400+ fish on). The end result is that I can land fish faster, and the upshot of that is that I end up losing fewer fish with this rod, especially larger (12+ inch) fish. I feel that it’s a bit less sensitive than the Suzume for very small fish. That’s a tradeoff I’m happy to make.

I’m a simple angler. I fish small creeks. I fish primarily with one fly. I fish primarily with one rod. I have others, but 95%+ of my fishing is done with one rod because I like the simplicity of it. For most of the past year, that rod has been the Suzume. That rod going forward will be the Mizuchi.

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I’m pleased that you like the rod. It sounds like it’s performing exactly as designed. Sometimes I think that what I like in a short stream rod isn’t what most would like (at least on western streams). I’m glad in this case that another small stream connoisseur feels that the Mizuchi is up to the task.

Curious on how this rod compares with the rhodo.

I know the lengths of the zoom are different, but does anyone have any comment on comparing the general casting, sensitivity, and feel compared to a rhodo?

I really dig the rhodo for a lot of characteristics described in this thread. One of the biggest things about the rhodo for me is how forgiving the rod is…as in, it can take a lot abuse. If folk feel that the two have similar casting characteristics and can take similar abuse, I may suggest it to peeps who are starting out or have interest in tenkara.

The Mizuchi is about 70 bucks less expensive than the rhodo, so that is a pretty great deal.

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The Mizuchi seems really tough to me. I used it in some very overgrown streams banging it around and not treating it gingerly and felt it’s actually tougher than other rods I own. The Rhodo is a great rod, I feel like this one casts better is nicer for small stream fishing. But really you can’t go wrong with either one so you may need to test both out if possible.

Thanks Chris. Seems like the rod has a lot going for it. It is nice to have options.

I will be at the International Sportsmen’s Expo in Denver this weekend with a few Mizuchi rods if you want to come by and say hi and check them out in person. I will be hanging out with Graham Moran (Tenkara Grasshopper) at his GEAR Colorado Fly Fishing booth, I believe it is right next to one of the casting ponds. Hope to see some of you there.

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I’ve really fallen in love with Mizuchi.

I am currently saving up for one!

A Mild Mizuchi Rod Disappointment

As the new kid on this board, I had to think long and hard about how I was going to say that I was mildly disappointed with the Mizuchi rod, because it has gotten so much positive praise on this board. So I believe that the right place to begin with this is in defining just what a small stream really is, which may very a lot according to where you happen to live and fish.

For me a small stream is a thin blue line on a Topographic map. Something that you can often step over or jump across. Certainly not the kind of place where you need to or could cast 6 meter or 8 meter long lines. A stream with conifer and broad leaf trees growing on each bank that have limbs that often grow together over the water, and hopefully, above your head. The kind of stream where the water flow forms an alley of open water running down between two brushy banks, and the only way to fish it is for you to get in the water and wet wade upstream on the left side if you are right handed, tight to the brush, so you have enough room to cast sidearm to help keep your line out of the trout’s cone of vision. The kind of stream where you fish a line that is two feet shorter than your rod is long, so you can make Bow-And-Arrow casts into tight spots without having to move the rod. The kind of streams where there is often no back casting room at all. In other words, a very challenging fishing environment that requires a super short rod to be able to fish water that most other fly fishermen would never consider fishing.

In Tom Davis’ introduction to the Mizuchi rod, he stated that rods of 2.4 meters and shorter do not cast well in his hand, and probably could not be designed to do so. I am probably the only angler here who owns both the Esoteric 206/245 and the Mizuchi 240/290/340 rods, and I can assure you that the 206/245 is one sweet casting rod. Please read the Jason Klass review of the 206/245, and the comments below it of other anglers’ comments who have cast and fished the 206/245: Tenkara Zoom Rod | Tenkara Talk

There is a favorite, exceedingly tight, small stream that I really love to fish, which my first tenkara rod was much too long to fish there - the 12 Ft. Iwana. I went to a Diawa 27SR Soykaze rod next, (and I really love that rod and still have it) but it was still too long for that stream and many others like it. Then a Shimotsuke Kiyotaki 24 rod was tried, which was a big improvement on tight streams and kind of like fishing with a string and a dowel. Then a Kiyotaki 18 rod came next, and both Kiyotakis worked great for the Bow-And-Arrow Casts, but left a lot to be desired in normal casting. I caught a lot of trout on them both, but I eventually gave them away. The 206/245 worked out to be the best rod for me for really tight small streams, and it casts beautifully at both lengths. It is a 14 and 15.5 Penny Rod. The Penny ratings are an indication of relative rod power, but do nothing to indicate anything about a rod’s casting action - fast, medium or slow. In other words, a Tip Casting rod action, a Mid-Section casting rod action, or a Full-Flex rod casting action.

The Mizuchi Rod has Penny ratings of 16 Pennies @ 24, 17 Pennies @ 29 and 18 Pennies @ 34 CMs, which makes it a fast rod at 24, and a more moderate casting rod at its two longer lengths. I like its casting qualities best at its longest and second longest lengths. I found it to be similar to the Kiyotakis at its shortest length, and not nearly as nice to cast as the 245/206 rod is. Both rods handle the Bow-And-Arrow Casts well, with the 206/245 not giving up all that much in the rod power department to the Mizuchi. The 206/245 weighs 1.9 Oz. compared to the Mixuchi’s 2.86 Ozs.
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I own two other 33 length rods - the Suntech Kurenai HM33, and a Nissin Royal Stage 330. The penny ratings for those two rods, respectively, are 9 and 8 Pennies. The Kurenai is a tip casting rod, while the Royal Stage is more moderate in its casting action. Both rods weigh the same: 1.5 Ozs. The Mizuchi weighs in at 2.86 Ozs. all without the tip caps. Of course this is an apples to oranges comparison, undoubtedly the Mizuchi is a much more powerful and durable rod. Casting all of these rods with the same #3 Level FC lines, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 feet long (not counting the tippet lengths), the 33s feel like you are driving a sports car. While the 34 Mizuchi ZX feels like you are driving a Jeep Wrangler. Jeeps are very good at doing what they are designed to do, but the trout that live in most small streams are of pretty modest in size and easily handled on rods that make them more challenging to catch. I am quite sure everyone who has bought a Mizuchi will be well pleased with their purchases and catch a lot of fish quite happily on them. Like I said, I was only mildly disappointed with mine…. T-stillwater.

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Nice analysis and write up. Similar to an scientific paper, you stated your bias clearly and up front. You then defined your variables within your given experiment. This was followed by your experiments. Finally, it was wrapped up with your analysis.

Well done and thanks for sharing. You can contribute anytime you like.

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