Short Easily Packable Tenkara Rods - latest trend

While all tenkara rods are reasonably easily portable, some are more so than others.
I just noticed that Uzaki Nissin has added a new, shorter collapsed length rod.

The テンカラ 羅門 [ ラモン] 7:3 , Tenkara Ramon 7: 3

Nissin Ramon 7:3 rod

Their key sales pitch points:
仕舞寸法48cm。Dimension of 48cm ( 18.9 inches) . vs the Shimano Pack at 40 cm.
携帯性に優れたテンカラロッド!, Tenkara rod excellent in portability!

Most of their tenkara rods are 57 cm ( 22.4 in.) collapsed lenght.

Apparently the newest niche to seek new sales I guess.
New options or new complications, depending on your point of view.

David, a few of us have committed our opinion to a rod style, a travel rod.

Do you use one?

I’m curious about your personal experiences using one.

In the past, we wrote about them. And now we are writing more about how we use them.

I see how travel rods are a “trend” yet depending on your point of view, tenkara could be called a trend.

Earlier this evening, a friend and I were discussing the use of level line and how pleasant our meeting was with sensei, the leader of the level line school of tenkara. How long has this level line school of thought been around? Is it a trend?

Sakura, one of the oldest rod shops in Tokyo that has been continuously making short nested length tenkara rods, offering them to us as a sport fishing rod for nearly as long as tenkara has been around in that capacity.

I don’t think they are a trend.

A travel rod label just seems to be fitting for the configuration and design application that the engineers are challenged with.

A tenkara rod by nature lends itself to portability. As stated previously, the short length of s generic style of a tenkara rod is an attribute.

I have found that a multi section travel rod has desirable attributes. It’s almost counterintuitive when breaking down the reasons why some travel rods are so accurate. The sections so short, the amount of joints doubled. The shorter the length, the more difficult the designers choices become for the engineers that actually make the rod.

It’s much more desirable for me to discuss the attributes than to argue what some people call a trend.

Although tenkara is simple, and the thought, “the more I know, the less I need” leads me to “the more I know, the more I realize I don’t know” holds true.

That’s the draw for me.

It’s the reason for change, enthusiasm and why I still write about it.

I find it cyclicle in review, it just depends on the vehicle you are on, a wagon or a train.

I chose neither.

I’m on foot walking my own path and enjoy meeting new people that want to learn or who are willing to teach me. I prefer to be the student, otherwise, I’m just telling people where I have been and what I’ve learned.

Do you use a travel rod?

Or is your everyday rod a travel rod?

I am honestly interested in your perspective.

Thank you in advance.

No I do not have any rod that has an extra short collapsed length, though of course I do have rods that meet the other two desirable attributes of a “travel rod”: multi-length (i.e. versatile) and robust.

Trend wasn’t the best word choice, but the title box was to short to add - Latest Catchy Marketing Phrase. :wink:

From my previous profession I’m aware that companies keep a keen eye on what their competitors are up to. They either immediately start developing a competing product or set back a while to wait and see if their competitor makes a profit or looses their shirt before either jumping in or patting themselves on their still shirt covered back for avoiding jumping on a money loosing bandwagon to soon.

I have no need for a rod with those features. I don’t travel anywhere by plane or train. I’m retired now, lotsa time, not lotsa money, so I also don’t need an extra compact rod to keep in my work vehicle to take advantage of some fishing spot found by chance during the drive home.

I can pretty much already meet the Shimano Pack rod sales pitch of, “いつでもテンカラ、どこでもテンカラ”, Tenkara Anytime, Tenkara Anywhere. That might change if or when I get my little dual sport Yamaha thumper motorcycle running right again. It has a nasty carburetor problem I can’t solve which I blame on that nasty ethanol contaminated gasoline. Where a super short collapsed length rod might be more attractive.

I don’t backpack deep into the woods to overnight and fish remote streams. Most of my fishing is done fairly close to my car, or at most an hour walk over easy terrain to a fishing spot.

Primarily I fish with rods that I like the way they cast. Mostly I choose to use a rod I particularly like the way it cast light line. I will use 2 号 line as long as I can get away with it.

And actually I’m pretty fond of rods like the Nissin Air Stage 450 or Royal Stage 390, that have long collapsed lengths of 40.5 in and 44 in ( 103cm & 112cm). With fewer sections to extend or collapsed they are quicker to deploy or stow, and with fewer segments they have a different feel when casting compared to rods with more segments.

As for why I make post about Tenkara topics that don’t especially grab my attention because it might be something that appeals to me for personal use . I just post it because the topic might appeal to others or as something to post about, and I’m a bit of a “curious wanderer”. Who finds it fun and interesting to discover different facets of tenkara. Different gear, different fishing methods, different types of activity. I would never say how someone fishes, and calls it tenkara fishing, isn’t tenkara. I might think their method doesn’t appeal to me or think there are better methods to use, but would never say, “Hey you’re doing it wrong that’s not tenkara”. They’re all just different ways, 10,000 people 10,000 ways of doing stuff or enjoying it. Maybe what I find will appeal to others for their own amusement, use or experiments.

Things have changed a lot since Daniel G walked onto the stage, along with Dr. Ishigaki’s goal to expand tenkara toward increased activity both inside Japan and to the rest of the world.

Seven years ago we were mostly only seeing the tenkara world through a window covered with multiple layers of Swiss Cheese. Only seeing what was revealed by a few holes opened by the early promoters removing a slice. Today more slices are being removed by later explorers revealing more holes that provide a wider view of what tenkara is. Such as the DT guys or pikers like me, us on the forum or other SM, and the people who have had the opportunity to travel to Japan and experienced it first hand with people with 30+ years of tenkara experience. And people in the West are pushing the evolution in new directions too; new methods, new rod models with different characteristics, etc. There’s always something new to be discovered (from gear to method to history / culture), sometimes it’s something completely new, sometimes it’s something old that’s found again.

Marketing a Pack rod or Travel Rod, or a Tenkara Kit, I think are all just attempts to draw more people into tenkara fishing. Rod manufacturers have taken a page from Honda in the 1960s, who used the approach of - You Meet the Nicest People on a Honda - iow - Ride a Honda, Anytime, Anywhere, Anyone. (btw I’d love to get my hands on a Honda Cub)

All that completely fails as a short answer to the question, do I use a travel rod. But. That’s it.

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My perspective is much different.

I already knew Yoshikazu Fujioka from 1996. We had been sharing our perspective on fly fishing small streams since then. I was using light fly lines (0-3) in big water too…

But when Daniel introduced tenkara successfully outside of Japan, that is a moment in time for tenkara that we can all pinpoint and comment on now because that is in the past. It was accurate and respectful then and now. We just had a great summit for tenkara, it was cool to listen to Ishigaki-sensei and Yvon Chouinard, both are teachers along with Daniel putting on the presentation. Some say it was the largest gathering to date on the topic of tenkara.

Anyway, early on, I actually went to Japan and discovered that Daniel’s presence there was highly regarded and it was and still is very special. I found out about the other teachers (Yoshida-san, Kazuya-san et al) and the Japanese that fooled around with non-tenkara tenkara.

I explored and shared much of what I know and brought to the people outside of Japan, many of their first Japanese made and developed tenkara rods.

I actually found out on my own that like anything, tenkara evolved but there was no Swiss Cheese with the way it was exported by Daniel. It was very thoughtful, thourough and respectful, very much like the Japanese peaceful and respectful way of looking at life. John and his friends visited and brought back with them their view of it too.

So now I am proud to be working with Daniel, still, not, putting, Swiss, Cheese, on tenkara. I work with Keiichi Okushi to share genryu in his words and we built a community. We did that and we continue to do that, first. Not his story, history. It’s what we do.

We are tenkara.

Already learned what it is and now help people find It.

It’s awesome.

And happy to see this forum has some Japanese influence. Some of us may know why this forum exists. I’m grateful to be here, still sharing.

Still doing it, it’s fun.

But I don’t think tenkara then or now is different. The fish are still in the mountain stream and we use a rod, line and fly.

We have a variety of choices because of what (including you too) we did, kind of like what you said. It was presented accurately the first time and took hold. I’m proud to still be part of that.

The path gets thin here and there, but that’s what I enjoy, getting away and fishing a mountain stream where not many people have been.

It’s what we do.

Sometimes I get on a plane, my travel rod is in my pack. Can’t see it but man it’s there.

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What a wonderful conversation

I sympathize with the knowledge and understanding of everyone participating

I am sad that I can not go on with the speed of translation and I can not participate :sob:

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A standard airline carry-on roller bag has a diagonal measurement of approximately 26". The typical tenkara rod has a collapsed length of less than that, so there shouldn’t be any need for a travel rod that is even less. Most backpacks you would use for an overnight trip can easily handle the length of a standard tenkara rod.

I agree that my rods poke out of the top of most of my normal “day packs”, but if I was actually going on a trip, I wouldn’t be taking one of those anyway. All of my “normal” tenkara rods are plenty small, and if I was to buy a third rod, it would still be a normal length rod, despite the fact that I do enjoy backpacking in to fish remotely.

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If the rod fits, carry it in your roller bag then you should bring it.

Why wouldn’t you take it?

I carry a soft daypack style travel pack. I stuff it into overhead bins and under the seat in front of me. I shove it into the trunk of a small car and at anytime, I expect the airline to take it and put it int a cargo hold. I use that same pack for hiking/camping. I do not look like everyone else though, it’s specialty is different.

Sometimes when I am fishing, I use a weighted woolly booger. Man those things work pretty well.

I notice that a lot of Japanese use a western fly fishing vest too.

There are many things that work that some people will tell you to use or not use, it’s your choice what to use.

Your choice.

When I read about people buying their first “tenkara” and catching bass and bluegill using a fly line and advice from a tenkara guy that specializes in warm water, who am I to tell him what he should do, that’s not my argument. I’m happy that he is having fun. I’m not getting in the way of that, I like when people have fun, especially when it is not at the expense of others.

Kind of like you traveling with a regular tenkara rod. It took me almost an entire year before I knew I could leave my favorite rod at home and travel with this tiny little pocket rod that looked like a toy.

“How could anyone take that rod so seriously?”

It’s because the engineer that created it took it very seriously and made a great rod. Tenkara for me is about skill. The equipment is secondary.

I’ve seen rod reviewers overlook excellent rods saying they were “tip heavy” and giving them bad press. I think rod reviews tell more about the reviewer than the rod. Not a bad thing, it is what it is.

So if I have a rod that fits in a carry on and I want to use it, I do. I’m confident that’s what I want to do and I do it.

And then share what you have found like you have.

It’s best to have choices.

At some point I plan to use a small hard side carry on. I have one now that I used but I like to have my hands free, back pack does that for me.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

This very statement is what I enjoy about the Japanese people.

They are humble.

Todoroki-san is sad that he can not speak our language at our pace.

His command of English is excellent.

I struggle to make simple Japanese sentences.

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Well, ya know. It’s the ole phenomenon where many eyewitnesses to the same event report seeing different things, sometimes contradictory things.

All I meant was that while Daniel did do an efective, thoughtful and respectful introduction it was from my pov limited. Which it probably needed to be seven years ago to avoid overwhelming everyone with to much information when introducing something new with a long history, tradition, & culture with many facets. However, it was very much centered or focused on the Ishigaki style. There is nothing wrong with that. Dr. Ishigaki is a great tenkara ambassador and seems to be Daniel’s primary mentor.

But early on there were only smaller views of the ways, methods, styles or tenkara philosophy used by other Tenkara Masters. Sebata-san, Sakakibara-san, Hiromichi-san, Kura-san, Saigo-san, and many other names that have now become known to us in the West all have different approaches to tenkara. And making known or making more fully known their methods has been slowly revealed later in more detail by others who have put their focus on being mentored by them. From the famous Forest Gump quote, “that’s all I have to say about that.”

Now to get back to the subject of Pack, Travel rods - how useful, desirable or needed are they?
What is the purpose is for marketing the concept. To provide a new convenience for tenkara veterans, to attract new people to tenkara or both? Who uses them, and why have they found them useful to have?

I understand. I also am disappointed I am not able to effectively participate on Japanese language tenkara forums. But language translation is a road block to full participation.

However, sometimes incorrect translations can also provide a good laugh. Bring a smile. A good reminder not to take things to seriously. It is all supposed to be fun. :joy: Right?

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Yeah, travel tenkara rods are what they are.

I have a few Japanese versions and now an American one. It’s a nice firm rod with improvements like a soft tip. The old Japanese short nested rods have a firm flex profile and it’s nice to fish that style of rod again, especially since it is of Japanese heritage. But it is an American rod!

I like it.

It’s nice.

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