Using Color Technology To Catch More Fish - Fly Material Color Choice Considerations

There are situations where color can matter but might be opposite in a consideration of making the target more visible. And that may be where being aware of water and environmental attributes can guide an angler to try different things.

I find most of the time I will generalize trying flies that are more visible…or less depending on conditions. In stained conditions sometimes I find increased visibility to be helpful, but not always. Depending on the conditions and type of presentation. Sometimes a darker fly, sometimes flashy, sometimes lighter. In clearer water well lit conditions sometimes it is a fly that blends in more works best…but again not always. When I am on the water, I just let the fish tell me what they like. Usually there is a preference, but I can never put a specific pattern to the preference and the conditions together. I always feel it to be an improvisation and I like that aspect of fishing for trout and striped bass.

What really rings from the Ken Abrames video, is his comment adjusting the fly you present if your presentation draws a fish but is refused. He notes…present less of in the fly for them to refuse. This could be a smaller fly, a sparser fly, or a fly that is just harder to see…like camouflaged.

Last night at my surfcasting club meeting, there was a note about how striped bass on cape cod often responded to tan flies. This has to do with the type of thing that is revealed in the Abrames material and the Oz material. Consider a sand beach, sand is tan and bait is often reflective and will also assume color attributes of their environment and then Oz shows how the ceiling of the water can be reflective of what is below. Tan is the most natural choice. But if there is a biomass of silversides it might be good to pick a color that stands out.

Hi Jason. Here is a very brief video that pretty well demonstrates how Motion alone is a real motivator. The bouncing green Dot is produced by a Lazzer Pointer: Movie 1

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A couple of interesting questions.
Does color choice vary with time of day? Fish vision seems to be different mid day vs early morning & early evening. And varies between sunny vs cloudy days.

Is shape more important for surface / dry flies, and color more important for flies fished deeper in the water column?

https://riverbum.com/blog/fly-color-selection/

https://www.troutprostore.com/class/color_vision_trout_eyes
“A dry fly is seen by trout as a footprint in the surface tension and color is not as important as it is with a submerged fly like an emerger. In dry flies, translucent color is much more likely to be visible from below than an opaque mass of color. Therefore, a tightly wound body of a fly will be less effective than a loose winding of feathers or dubbed wool.”

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I was thinking about this as well. As the fish are occasionally looking upwards towards the sky, there are times when the sun backlights the fly. In those cases, I believe the fly would appear dark without much colour (almost silhouetted). I think those moments, the shape and movement of the fly would be more important than colour.

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In four decades of western fly fishing, I and most others I know when the subject came up thought that what mattered (in order) was size, color and shape. Motion was most often a dead drift or a swing but skating a caddis over water where it had just passed, and a few tugs on a sunk streamer at the end of its drift could elicit a strike.

As a Tenkara toddler with as many fish landed as my best days with a rod and reel, I’m not sure where everything falls now.

  • I pretty much only fish kebari tied on #12 and #14 hooks.
  • My most productive fly is a Takayama style Pheasant Tail sakasa tied with grizzly dry fly hackle.
  • There have been a few days early in the season when I caught fish only after changing to a Takayama sakasa with a pale white Antron body.
  • One of my buddies’ goto is a Red Takayama sakasa.
  • I’ve caught the largest fish in one stream I’ve fished for 10 years on a beadhead sakasa with Guinea Hen hackle and a rust brown Antron body using gyaku-biki downstream pulsing manipulation.
  • A year later within 10 feet of where the first big fish was hooked I caught another with a dead drifted beadhead Hare’s Ear.
  • And then there was the 9 lb Chum Salmon I caught on a (magnetic) beadhead silver-bodied sakasa fly with a chartreuse marabou tail and Grizzly hen hackle using an 8 weight western rod & reel.

With all the variables it could be I feel the takes with the tight line presentation better than ever before, yet I’d bet that sakasa hackle motion has a lot to do with it.

Thinking about my detailed fishing log catch records, I’m leaning towards motion, color, size, and shape as the triggers. With lighter colors early in the year and possibly early and late in the day , and darker colors and red later in the year and at midday???
(Chums are just attracted to or annoyed enough to strike by chartreuse)

For sure color choice should vary with time of day and under overcast, rainy, and falling snow conditions. Trout have cones for color vision just like we do, but cone vision (color vision) requires a lot of light for fish to use it. They convert over to rod cell vision at dusk, and use their (black, white and shades of gray vision) through out the night. Just prior to dawn, the rod cells begin receding into the retinas and the color cone cells start coming forward again for day light vision. This is a process that takes place gradually over time. Glow-In-The-Dark White materials are useful when fish are running on their Rod Cell Vision.

Flies viewed by fish against the sky tend to show up as a silhouette, whether wet or dry but, translucent fluorescent Hot Spots tend to be highly visible and can be very effective at times. Also, against the sky (even on a black moonless night) dark or black flies will be the most visible to fish. Translucence by its self is not necessarily more visible to fish when they are viewing an insect or a fly against the sky. Fish and insects tend to have light to white undersides, making them less visible to predators from below because their light undersides are less visible against the light sky.

Contrast is highly important - that’s Light on Dark and Dark on Light coloring and materials, both on the fly pattern itself and as seen against the fish’s under water background views, whether it is of aquatic plants, rocks, the sky and or the color of the water, itself.

The color of water comes in many variations of Blue, Green and Red/Brown, and varies in shade with depth - the color (what ever it is) will be lightest near the surface and become progressively darker as the fish and or your lure or fly are fished deeper in the water.

Each water color has its own set of Operative Colors that the fish can see more easily in that water color than other colors, which are governed by the Laws of Physics and not our of the fish’s preferences. Fish really do not have color preferences.

In Blue waters the Operative colors are: White, Fl-blue, Fl-green, Fl-chartreuse, Silver and Gold Plates. For short range use: Fl-pink, Fl-red and Fl-orange are the go to color decorations. Blue (clear) water is the longest fish sight range color condition, with blue and green providing the longest range fish visibility. White provides good contrast only in direct light. As you go deeper in the water and encounter indirect lighting conditions (light reflected off of the particles suspended in the water), white reflects the background colors and looses its contrast capabilities.

The Operative Colors in Green waters are: Silver Plate, Fl-orange, Fl-red, Fl-pink and Fl- chartreuse. Green water is a very short range fish visibility condition. In direct light, dark colors like dark blue, black, and purple are effective as they also show up well, particularly in warmer water temperatures.

The Operative Colors for Turbid (Red/Brown) colored waters are Gold Plate, Fl-Chartreuse, and Black, regardless of the water’s temperature. Turbid water conditions are usually the shortest fish vision range conditions of all, and the fish will usually be found in shallow water and close to the shore.

The temperature of the water effects fish vision as well, and each fish species has a preferred water temperature range - which is called its Optimum range. Water colder than optimum requires larger lures, in brighter colors, and more flash. Optimum water temps need a reduction in size, more subdued colors, and duller finishes than cold conditions do. Warm water conditions require the smallest fly sizes, the dullest finishes and the darkest colors, which is a great condition for all black flies to be used.

Colors in water change with the distance and depth of the viewer. All colors eventually turn black, with the reds going first, then orange, yellow, green and the blues last (which includes the purples). The Fluorescent colors do not color shift as quickly as the standard colors do, but even they will fade out to black eventually. As you can see, there is a lot more to this than just picking out a color you happen to like and going fishing. The two links D Walker put up explain these things very well. There are lots of color/depth charts out there. Unfortunately, most of then do not show that these same color shift conditions apply to linear distances at the same depth in the water.

Light loss in clear water can be as great as 22% in the first 1/2 inch, 45% in the first 3 feet, and 78% in 33 feet. Most T-anglers do not pay much attention to color shift considerations because our fly presentations are made quite shallowly. Muddy, cloudy and or algal stained waters can shorten the above distances by 50% or more, so this is an area that deserves far more attention than it gets. Many of you will not believe that light loss percentages could possibly run as high as they do. What accounts for the greatest losses is light being reflected off of the water’s surface and the angles of the sun as it travels across the sky from horizon to horizon. Cloudy conditions reduce light penetration in water by as much as 50%, and rain can increase that loss to 75%. Wind/wave action also contributes significantly to light losses. Most anglers have little or no knowledge of these things.

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Where is the data from @T-stillwater? Isn’t this also an assumption based on human knowledge of sight and presumed to be correct? As @arieger mentioned in a different thread, we humans unfortunately do not “know” what trout actually see.

Nonetheless, very fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

I do not know if you (Peder) will consider the information presented to be data or not, but it is about as close as I can come other than the differential catch rates I have experienced fishing with friends. Please read: Book Review: Fluorescent Flies by Joseph Keen 1964 Also, when you fish a pattern with the right Hot Spot color for the color of the water conditions being fished, it uncannily, really POPS OUT at you, which I assume it also will do for the fish as this is a function of Physical Laws of Nature.

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Hahaha, yes we could probably get into the semantics of data and be pedants about it, but why? Yes, books can and do contain data just as much as formal scientific papers. It may be presented differently, but it is data nonetheless. Thank you. You seem to have a fascinating collection of books.

Personal opinion
The color is chosen by the angler before the fish
Fishing pressure is more important for fish than color choice
Only the attractor pattern reacts when the fishing pressure increases

“Ayu Kebari” is a simplified fly pattern, but thousands of types are standardized due to color differences

It is a small attractor pattern fly of about 8 ㎜

There is a certain rule of thumb in choosing this “fly” color

Season
water temperature
Water color
Water depth
Morning, noon, evening
Herd size
Growth condition of the fish

Choosing the most effective color is the pleasure of anglers
But the biggest choice is the fishing pressure of other anglers

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Hi Tordorki. Your Rule of Thumb for selecting fly color is very similar to Rabideau’s method, which he divides up in to a 3-step process.

Step 1. Appraise the fishing conditions:

Light Levels: - Is it Sunny, Cloudy, Rainy or Low Light Level conditions?

Water Temperature: Is the water Cold, Cool (the Optimum Temperature Range for your fish), or Warm? Which will determine if you need to use Big and Bright, Moderate and Subdued, or the Smallest and Dullest colored fly patterns.

Water Color: Is the water color Blue (Clear) Hi-Viz , Green Lo-Viz, or Red/Brown stained No-Viz?

Step 2. Determine the color and value of the back ground the fish will be viewing your fly pattern against. And then consider fly colors that have high contrast with that back ground coloration, including - Light on Dark, Dark on Light fly pattern combinations.

Step 3 Choose the basic fly color combinations and brightness that will contrast with the background you and the fish have to work with, utilizing Light on Dark, Dark on Light contrast with the background, and on the fly pattern itself. Decoration colors, Fluorescent Hot Spots and such, are chosen to give high contrast in the water color you are fishing appropriate for the water temperatures you are fishing under. That’s all there is to it, after you have learned all the finer points that is.

The liberating aspect of this technique is that once you have picked the right size, brightness, contrast and Hot Spot colors, there is nothing else left to do but concentrate on your presentations and catching fish. Additional pattern changes will have minimal positive effects.

Most of the beautifully tied fly pattern pictures above show flies that match up very well with all the Color Technology techniques and teachings Rabideau advocates. I am sure that you catch lots of nice fish on your flies…Karl.

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Todoroki34, I am sorry I am late in getting back to you on your first post on this thread above but it took me a while to find these photos. Granted, they were taken in saltwater but show that in some instances Fluorescent Colors are being used by predators to lure prey fish to within reach for capture and consumption. Please click on statement in Blue “Fluorescent proteins as a prey attractant: experimental evidence…” shown in blue after the first page appears.

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