Dry Fly Tenkara Fishing

Tristan picked a pattern from his “junk drawer” with a “do it all” profile representing caddis, stones, hoppers, moths… that fish see a lot of. When there is no visible “hatch” telling me otherwise, it’s the first fly out of my box on small streams like that with a 7’ cane or “traditional action” glass or graphite rod & reel.

There is a small stream 20 minutes from home loaded with native Coastal Cutthroat Trout. It’s the drainage from a large lake at 300’ dropping 160’ of elevation through 1.5 miles of suburbs where two other creeks join it, then into a steep 300’ ravine in a county park where it flows into a saltwater lagoon at just under 4 miles.

The creek in the park has 3 distinct “canyon”, “forest”, and “meadow” sections. The upper portion of the “meadow” section has a lot of downed trees pushed together into logjams that have filled in with silt washed down from above between the logs. It has vertical 3’-4’ undercut banks under the logs where the volume of water from the 3 creeks has created a main channel and sections of side channels.

The “meadow” on top of the log and silt base is very fertile with chest-high grass.

This photo was taken at eye level while standing in the creek.


Other typical spots

Some sections narrow to where I could take a running jump across but a foot might be plunged into a hole between the logs and I’d wind up with a compound fracture. The water runs very vast through those narrow sections and I haven’t found an effective way to fish to fish them. I frequently catch fish to 13" in the slower sections but I have met and spoken at length with the Director of the Costal Cutthroat Coalition that works with the State Dept of Fish & Wildlife to study and improve regional conditions for native fluvial Coastal Cutthroat and their anadromous Sea Run Cutthroat siblings. He lives near the creek and says very large fluvial and anadromous fish can be found hanging out under those banks just out of the fast water.

I fish it frequently with a friend who uses an 8’ - 9’ western rod & reel with dry flies. Because Coastal Cutthroat are naturally aggressive and attracted to the colors red and orange, his goto is a Royal Coachman. I consistently catch a greater number of fish using a Pheasant Tail Sakasa Kebari wet fly because I miss fewer strikes in the fast water with a long rod and tight line.

However when the season opens this year I am going to try something different in the fast sections. I think someone (fairly new) on the forum recently mentioned laying down in the grass to use it for cover on the bank above the water. That got me thinking about trying that in some of those narrow sections where I have hooked fish but been unable to land them in the swift current. I want to try slowly approaching, quietly waiting, preparing my position by creating a window through the grass, readying my rod and my long-handled Dt damo, then stretching out my rod to use a B&A cast for dapping a fly next to the bank to see if I have any results. It seems like a Mizuchi, a short line, and a dry fly might be a combination to try. I might even try using the floatant I keep buried deep in my pack.

*Plus drifting a streamer into an undercut bank above a bend.

Brian, what beautiful and challenging water you have to work with, and so close to home. I envy you, greatly. I believe you have formed a well thought out plan of action that will yield positive results.

I compiled Tristan’s results for the Sight Fishing Trip:

Idaho Killer Kebari Fly Pattern - Wet Fly
Strikes - 4
Fish Landed - 1
Fish Lost - 3
Fly lost with no replacement available

Weighted, Brown Soft Hackle Pattern - Wet Fly
Strikes - 3
Fish landed - 2
Fish Lost - 1
Tristan didn’t like casting the weighted fly and quit fishing the pattern

#14, Dry Elk Hair Caddis Pattern
Strikes - 10
Fish Landed - 9
Fish Lost - 1

Conditions - Clear, sunny, warm with light gusting winds, which often deposit terrestrial insects into streams and lakes, which motivate the trout to look to the surface of the water for their food. Although dry flies are not commonly used in Tenkara fly fishing by traditionalists, when the conditions are right for dry fly fishing, it can be highly effective because you can usually see the fly and the fish coming to take the fly, so you want to watch the fly and or the water where the fly should be instead of watching your line for strike detection. If you watch the line, often, the fish will have already ejected the fly before you can see the line move, and the strike will be missed if the fish does not hook itself. The presentation is pretty much the same as with wet fly patterns - Line held up and off of the water for drag free drifts on running waters. Manipulation of the fly can still be done if desired but, in my opinion, drag free drifts should be tried first. Should that fail, then try activating the fly. In dry fly fishing, generally, your best chance of a hookup is on your First Presentation, and declines steeply with each succeeding presentation. If you want to pound them up, you would be better off to fish with wet flies…Karl.

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With the benefit of precise casting and the ability to have long, drag free drifts, isn’t a tenkara rod really an outstanding tool for dry fly fishing?

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Yes Mike, I believe tenkara tackle is the best tool available for Dry Fly Fishing, that was the whole point of putting up this thread - to counter what I see as a built in bias of tenkara anglers against fishing with dry flies because it is not seen as being a Traditional Tenkara technique.

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I’m with you. I do probably 75% of my fishing with dries.

I also feel like the tenkara rod is ideal for presenting a dry fly. However, I am averse to using floatant and prefer to avoid using petroleum based materials, like foam, in my flies therefore every fly ends up being fished subsurface after a few drifts. I feel that once the fly’s are beneath the surface kebari seem to out perform dries (I mostly use elk hair caddis) and so I tend to just go straight to the kebari rather than switching flies after my dry fly gets waterlogged.

I have found in my fishing that I usually catch the most fish tight line nymphing with bead head flies such as perdigons, waltz worms and caddis imitations. I think part of this is due to where the fish are feeding, part of it is due to fish sitting deeper being more oblivious to my presence and part of it is due to the weight of the fly allowing me to use a lighter line, keeping my hi vis level line further from the surface of the water (Using a keiryu style line with a 1.5-2 ft section of black/white 3x sighter).

One thing I have noticed with dries is that the only times I deep hook trout are on dry fly takes where the fish inhales the fly. This almost never happens to me with nymphs or kebari (unless the kebari is floating on top).

I find I catch the largest fish when using a larger euro streamer or wooly bugger using a stiffer keiryu rod.

If you have never fished patterns other than kebari I would recommend you give them a try, especially since some (EHC and waltz worms come to mind) are very simple utilitarian ties that are very much in the spirit of kebari to me. Every technique seems to have its niche depending on conditions.

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I’m about 70/30 wet/dry. This is the only dry I use #14 CDC & Elk (I now use natural CDC color, not the tan, and deer hair, not the elk). Works fantastic on 325cm / 10’8" rods with 2.5-3 line and 5x tippet.

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It is interesting to read this rather long post and key in on some of the sensitivities expressed by various people. If you’ll permit a slight analogy, it’s very reminiscent of reading and hearing about the, “correct” way to play guitar. Personally, I think that whatever way sounds good to your ears and is fun to do is probably the “right” way to do it, even if others don’t view it as being “correct”.

In “Simple Flies”, by Morgan Lyle, Dr. Ishigaki is famously quoted as having said that essentially, “any old chicken feather, tied onto a hook with thread and with a body made of that same thread and tied off [will work]”. I think that John Gierach has implied something similar in several of his books, when he talks about being “ornery” and fishing the same fly over-and-over, even when it is perceived as being the “wrong” fly for the prevailing conditions and catching essentially as many fish as everyone else during that session.

Of course what separates these men from me is that they have the experience and skill to get the most out of their random bits of feather and thread in a variety of conditions. They probably choose to use whatever fly it is they use for a given day based on both that experience and on what they think is going to provide them the greatest pleasure. I imagine that both have different concepts about what “fun” means to them and choose accordingly.

My personal experience is more with warm water fish than trout. On a recent trip to the John Day River in OR, I focused on Smallmouth Bass. (I did however catch one trout, on a stonefly nymph.) On 2 separate days, I had one morning where a muddler minnow, fished dry, caught bass on every cast until about 11 AM. After that, I couldn’t get a single hit on a dry fly. Changing to a wooly bugger, under a strike indicator got them to start hitting again, and this time they were bigger fish. The next day, dries didn’t work at all, but nymphs fished deep did.

I think if you enjoy playing finger-style guitar on nylon strings, you should do that. And conversely, if you like limiting yourself to only playing palm-muted downstrokes, you should do that too. “Ain’t no right or wrong here.” And if you don’t know what you like to do yet, you should read all of this and try everything. Something will strike your fancy at some point and you can choose to become dogmatic about it then.

Thanks for all the excellent techniques and flies mentioned in the thread so far!

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Thank you for the interesting and thoughtful reply, Roger. I can not disagree with anything You said. Everyone should fish in the ways that pleases them the most…Karl.

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Hi Guys,
Just putting my head above the parapet. Personally I will fish whatever method l think suits the location and conditions. I use Japanese style kebari patterns, dry fly, spiders, nymphs, streamers and the duo (where permitted) and I have equally unimpressive results with all of them! But I also like to tie lots of different patterns even though I could definitely catch just as few fish with a handful of flies, so that encourages me to be a bit more experimental, which is all part of the fun in my opinion.

One thing I will say is that losing a simple futsu in a tree is not as painful as losing a more complicated pattern that took ages to tie, so the terrain also influences my choices.

Regards
J

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Besides the more “meat” for less energy expended aspect of the bigger fly I think it may also have to do with the fish’s vigilance for threats from above. A fish coming to the surface is easy for patient, lofty, raptorial eyes to see. The smaller fish are more aggressive because they instinctively want to get bigger than the guy that moved them out of the safer prime lie, and probably who have had their own share of close call(s).

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I’ve been fishing dry fly on T rods since 2012 when I first discovered tenkara. I only use 2 dry patterns the cdc elk/deerhair or griffiths gnat. The river I mainly fish has a small run of sea trout, every season I usually catch a dozen or so while dry fly fishing for wild brownies. This may not sound unusual, however I’m the only person in our fishing club that catches sea trout in the daylight on the fly. In the UK sea trout fishing is usually done at night on the fly as day time they are so difficult to catch. There are a number of dry fly anglers in the club who fish conventional western style for wild brownies but they rarely hook into a sea trout. I’m sure the delicate presentation of tenkara gives me the edge.

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Paul, thank you so much for your interesting and informative reply. I do not have any knowledge of sea trout fishing done at night or during the day. It sounds very interesting and like a lot of fun, and challenging as well…Karl.

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Thank you, a sea trout is sea run brown trout, like a steelhead is a sea run rainbow

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Karl, I have tied some of those well hung spider patterns that you posted (I tried at least). I like them and found them to be very effective. I’ve always been a fan of various ant patterns, particularly parachute style. I hope to tie/use more of those spiders this year….I will make a note of it in a video.

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Thank you for the interest and response, Kris. Something new I discovered - If you want to add a Hot Spot to your spiders, just tie them with the FL-Thread Color of your choice…Karl.

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Kris, you did a fine job on the spider tying. I especially like how sparse the hackle is. Is the hackle a grizzly hackle? It looks like it is grizzly to me. The nice thing about using partridge hackle is it is so soft that you get a lot of leg motion from the micro water currents produced as it drifts.

On wrapping in the hackle, lessening the tension on the hackle as it is wrapped will allow the foam body sections to lay out flatter.

And as the thread is whip finished right through the legs, it creates a nice Hot Spot right between the over body segments on all sides with the FL- Thread Colors.

I am very pleased and honored that you decided to give the spider a try and it worked out well for you and you took the time and put in the effort to let me know how it went. Thank you very much…Karl.

Thanks Karl. The hackle is just partridge.

Hi Kris, great job on the stream fishing trip with the FoxFire ZX 280 and fishing the Well-Hung Foam Spider patterns that you did such a fine job of tying. They seemed to be doing well on the brook trout you were fishing for.

I have fished the spider to rainbows, browns, brook trout and golden trout. I do not have access to cutthroat trout, so I am highly interested to see how the pattern performs on cutts in the coming season if you could be so kind s to work it into your busy schedule. Thank you again so much for the fine video; I really enjoy you and the videos you make…Karl.

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